¿En serio? ¿Dice Lucas que pese a que cambia la escena su intención es que la que finalmente deja en la película mantenga la intencionalidad de la eliminada? Porque si es así quiero verlo.

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The latest Homing Beacon has arrived and today we get to find out more about the Mace and Sidious Duel! The following is a sample entry of the new Set Diary series now available for Hyperspace members. In the summer of 2003, correspondent Pablo Hidalgo filed daily reports on the making of Episode III, but by necessity most of the plot details were obscured as to not spoil any secrets. Now that the movie is out, much of what was too hot in 2003 can be discussed, with further insight into the making of Revenge of the Sith.

It's one of the fieriest debates of online fan forums: when Palpatine was cornered in his office's giant window-frame, was he really overpowered by Mace? Or was he faking to lure Anakin? Could Mace really have gotten the upper hand on the Sith Lord?

George Lucas is the ultimate keeper of the true answer, and he's not telling... yet, anyway. If you had asked me in the Summer of '03, when the sequence was first shot, I would have had a solid answer. But, if you asked me in the Fall of '04, when the sequence was re-shot, well... for those who want to debate, it's best to know more of the story of how this scene came to be.

This entire sequence changed significantly during postproduction. What we witnessed in Sydney told a different story. Anakin did not earn Mace's trust by ratting out Sidious right away. He did not agonize over his decisions while sitting alone in the Jedi Council chamber. He did not rush in at the last minute to witness a questionable balance of power. Instead, he stayed at Palpatine's side, in the Chancellor's private office, as Mace and his posse of Jedi barged in.

"Stand behind me," ordered Mace, in Sam Jackson's demanding tones. But Anakin didn't budge. Instead, he watched passively as Palpatine used the Force to snatch Anakin's lightsaber from his belt and attacks Mace and the Jedi. There's ample evidence of this original version for those with sharp eyes and behind-the-scenes photos. Heck, even Hasbro action figures with Palpatine packaged with Anakin's lightsaber got out there in the initial shipments.

So, if Sidious' entire duel played out before Anakin's stunned eyes, I'd be inclined to think that his fall was just for show. This changed after a screening George Lucas held for a few key colleagues. Their reactions underscored the shortcomings of the way this duel was constructed. Anakin's inaction was hard to justify cinematically. "The story was there, but it wasn't clear," said Lucas at the time it came to rebuild this scene. "It was too abstract. We opened up that part and looked at what we could do."

When word of the change came down, the keepers of continuities started carefully tracking the evolving consequences. Palpatine had two lightsabers, then, since he loses this one in the duel with Mace. I still have in my inbox a tentative email from one of the authors asking, "um, have we figured out yet whose lightsaber Palpatine uses in the fight with the Jedi?"

At first, it was feared it was impossible to CG the small svelte-handled weapon over Anakin's relatively chunky handle, but nonetheless, that was the lightsaber given to McDiarmid for the pickup photography. The shots of Palpatine rising from his chair and extending the weapon were reshot. The bulk of the duel between Sidious and Mace stayed from principal photography, except for a new touch -- a kick to Palpatine's face, done with stunt double Michael Byrne. This was shot on a partial set of just a piece of window-frame on Friday, August 27.

So... with this revised duel, if Sidious threw the fight, it places an awful lot of faith on Anakin's timing ...and he suffered a kicked-in face to boot. For what it's worth to those arguing, I doubt there's anyone who thinks Palpatine's serious when he claims he's too weak. That's obviously a lie.

Dios mío... y ¿a partir de este texto os habéis montado toda esta película? [img]graemlins/carcaj.gif[/img]

Aquí lo único que dice prácticamente es que Sidious mentía cuando estaba arrinconado y decía que era muy débil.

Sid, no sé si te habrás dado cuenta que te dice el montaje original de la escena ... el por qué se cambió ... y la idea de la misma ... y lo que estaba intentando explicar ... cuándo comenté hace ya unos pocos de post ... de hace unos pocos de días ... con :

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Me acabo de enterar, ... ... ¡¡¡ Todo estaba previsto por Sidious !!! ... la pelea con Mace era una farsa, un espectáculo para que Anakin lo viera y diera su paso definitivo al LO ... resulta que existe otra versión, totalmente distinta, de la pelea entre Sidious y Mace, dónde ésto se evidencia, ya que Anakin está presente durante toda la pelea, de principio a fin, cuando entran a arrestar a Palpatine, Anakin está con él, y se inicia la pelea, pero Anakin no actúa, está parado sin decidirse a quien debe seguir ... y Sidious simula su derrota para forzar que Anakin se decida ... ésta escena se volvió a rodar por que era demasiado extraño ver a Anakin parado en medio de esa pelea ... resultaba demasiado irreal, por otro lado en esa escena, Sidious lucha con el sable azul de Anakin, la decisión de darle un sable a Sidious fué posterior, en un principio Sidious no iba a tener un sable propio.

Así, que parece que los que pensábamos que Mace ganó, estábamos equivocados ... [/QUOTE]Simplemente puse de lo que me acababa de enterar ... en aquel momento ... y que os empeñabais en decir que eran suposiciones mías ...</hr></blockquote>

No, no te equivoques. Como he dicho, no sé cuantas veces ya, no pongo en duda que rodara esa escena de otra manera y con otra intención, pero el motivo por el que lo cambia es simplemente que, cinematográficamente, Anakin no queda bien ahí parado, por lo que decide que actúe y para ello necesita reajustar varias cosas, y una de ellas puede ser precisamente que Sidious empiece a verse en dificultades, en cuyo caso ya no es exactamente lo mismo.

De hecho, fíjate bien en esta frase: "So... with this revised duel, if Sidious threw the fight, it places an awful lot of faith on Anakin's timing ...and he suffered a kicked-in face to boot". O la estoy entendiendo muy mal, o prácticamente te dice que en la nueva versión de la escena Sidious no finge... hasta que llega Anakin.

Que de hecho es lo que tiene más sentido, según mi punto de vista, claro.

Luego quien supone eres tu ... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Me quedo con el dato de Pablo Hidalgo ... "That's obviously a lie" ... ... y más sabiendo lo anterior ... el motivo del nuevo montaje ... que no era para cambiar intencionalidad, si no ubicaciones de personajes ... con lo cual volvemos al principio de la conversación ... con la diferencia que ya sabes en que me baso ... y sabes que no son suposiciones, simplemente sigo la información oficial al respecto ... cómo sostenía desde un principio ...